Transcript 0:00 All right. Um, Brian, thanks for joining me. I really appreciate it. Yeah, thank you for having me on, brother. Yeah. I appreciate it, man. Sure thing. Nice to see you again. 0:08 AmpFire Gentlemen is built on five core principles, and the first one is family. So let's just start there, and you can talk a little bit about your family. Yeah. Uh, well, I've, I've been married for a long time. 0:20 [laughs] Uh, been together, uh, 30 years. Been married for, uh, 28 of those years. And, uh, we have two boys, both grown now. 0:34 Uh, they are 27 and 24, and, uh, we live in sunny Southern California. Awesome. Uh, 0:44 I know that you, you were a coach, and you taught your s- and you coached your sons, and they were pretty young, right, when you started coaching them? 0:52 Yeah, my boys were four years old when I started coaching them, uh, and started off with Little League. 0:58 It's funny, I remember to this day taking my older son to the Little League table that was outside of a grocery store, uh, 'cause he wanted to play, and I was gonna sign him up. Now, again, I've played sports. 1:12 At that point, I had never coached anything. Uh, but we walk up to the table, sign him up, and the guy that's at the table says, "Hey, do you wanna coach?" And I said, "No, I'm just signing him up to, to play." 1:25 And he s- said, he said, "Why don't you coach? We need coaches." And I said, "Dude, I've never coached before. I don't know the first thing about coaching." 1:33 Like, back then, there wasn't a whole lot of research you could do on how to coach and all that stuff. Now it's all over the internet. But he said, he looked me [laughs] dead in the eye, and he goes, "Sir, they're four. 1:45 They're gonna be picking the grass. You need to teach them how to swing a bat, throw a ball, and run the bases. You don't need to teach them anything else, just the basics." And I said, "All right. 1:55 Well, maybe I can be the assistant coach then. Maybe I can do something like that." 1:58 And so I signed up to be an assistant coach, and about a week before we were supposed to start practices or, or have a parent meeting, the head coach backed out. He had something come up. He couldn't do it. Uh, and 2:15 he asked me if I would step up and head coach. I was scared to death, Clay. 2:21 My very first parent meeting that I had to, uh, uh, present or do, uh, or hold, uh, my very first parent meeting, and then the first practice, I was scared to death. Uh, and that was how the ball got rolling. 2:35 Uh, they, uh, they played all the way up through high school, whether it was baseball or basketball, and I coached, uh, 95% of the teams that they were on. I was the head coach. So they're, and they're grown now. Yeah. 2:48 Yeah. Yeah, my younger son, uh, my younger son actually had the opportunity to play college basketball, and it's funny. When he was playing college basketball, the head coach of that team 3:00 needed an a- needed a, an assistant coach. And because he knew my experience in coaching basketball and how long I've coached... 3:09 Now, the head coach was younger than me, so he knew that I h- had more experience than he did. He- I was talking to him after the game, after one of the games and, and he said, he said, "Hey, I need an assistant coach. 3:22 You have any interest?" And I said, "No, I'm done. My boys are grown now." I said, "My younger son is, his name's Brett." I said, "Brett would not want me coaching on his college team." 3:34 Uh, and he's like, "Well," he goes, "all right. I understand. I get it." And so no, I, once they got out of high school, I was done. 3:42 I coached at the high school level for a couple years after that, but my boys weren't on the team. 3:47 I did it for about two more years, and then I decided to hang up the whistle, and I've, I've enjoyed being retired from coaching. How difficult was that, to be a dad at home and coach, you know, for sports? 3:59 Well, it's interesting. When, uh, when we were growing- when my boys were growing up, they were little, tried to make sure that they understood that when 4:10 we were in the car, uh, on the way to practice or on the way to a game, I was Dad. But I made sure at a very young age that when we stepped onto the court or onto the field, that I was referred to as Coach. 4:26 I was not to be referred to as Dad because I didn't want to, you know, the perception of other kids to see favoritism by this one boy calling the coach their dad. 4:39 And that carried on through, like I said, through high school. Even, even at the high school level when my boys were playing, it was Coach. I was Coach. I wasn't Dad. They never called me Dad. 4:51 Uh, if I had to sit them down for some reason or I'd pull them out of the game, give them a break, sit them on the bench, uh, it was always, "Yes, Coach." It, it didn't, was never a problem. 5:03 I do see it in, I, I have seen it happen in, in, in other teams that, that we either played against or whatnot, but I, uh, it was just something that I instilled with them at a very, very young age, that when we're on the court or we're on the field, I am not your dad. 5:18 I am your coach, and you need to refer me as Coach. My mom was a high school teacher, and I had her for one class the whole time I was there, and it, it was pretty delicate, you know, to... 5:29 I'm sure I called her mom plenty of times, I'm sure, and a lot of times I was like, "I really don't know what to call her here." So, you know, same deal. She's worried about favoritism. 5:37 You know, I had friends in the class with me, and they'd be like, "Can we come over and study?" And I'd be like, "I don't think, I probably need to come over to your house and study. 5:44 I don't know that you can be here studying w- the class I'm in with you with our teacher." So yeah. Yeah. It's funny, my wife is a s- uh, was a school teacher for many, many years, almost 20 years. Uh, 5:56 you know, some of the, some of the kids that... And she was a teacher at my boys'- They went to elementary Christian school and, uh, junior high, and she was, she was a teacher at that school. 6:09 And so my friend- my boys who had friends, you know, my boys were, ended up being in my wife's class at, at points, and they had friends, and they would come over, and my wife always said, "It's so weird having their friends here, but that are my students as well." 6:26 Right. Yeah, it was, yeah, I'm sure it was awkward. So looking back now that your kids are, are older, like, I'm thinking, like, my kids teach me stuff all the time, and they're 10 and 12. 6:37 So I'm a- looking back, like, are there some lessons you remember that your kids inadvertently taught you? Inadvertently taught me? Uh, patience is a big one. That's something that, that we forget as parents. 6:49 When our kids are growing up, we have to have patience. Uh, and so I learned that from, from just being a dad. When my boys were growing up, just being a dad, I learned, uh, patience. 6:59 And, you know, one of the biggest things that I think parents struggle with today is, when it comes to their kids, is really listening to them. 7:07 Not just l- not just hearing them, but really listening to them, because you can hear a lot through their tone, through not only the words they're saying, their tone, but their body language, their facial gestures. 7:22 You can s- you can hear a lot in just what they're saying if you really listen to your kids. So listening was a skill that I had to become very good at with my boys, and I, I still, I still practice that today. 7:37 So, um, one thing I think about is, like, my kids have taught me, like, to be more brave, actually, 'cause they're at, they're just at that age they're not afraid of anything yet. 7:46 And so they don't worry about what people think about something, or if they try something and they mess up, they don't, they don't think about any of that. 7:52 They just sort of go at it, and they think, "I can do this," you know. And so there's a lot of times where I think, "Man, uh, you know, I wish I, I need to be that brave about simple stuff that, you know, you overthink." 8:05 Yeah. 8:06 Uh, yeah, brave is, uh, uh, confidence is certainly, uh, certainly something that, that, you know, my boys had to develop just from playing sports, is having the confidence to, uh, to try out for teams, things like that. 8:18 But yeah, yeah, I would say listening. Listening's the big one, and patience, uh, is something that, that parents need to really, uh, really learn to, uh, control. 8:28 And s- uh, now that your kids are grown and you're empty nester, a lot of my l- a lot of the readers of Camper For A Gentleman are s- are sort of, if they aren't there yet, they're very close to transitioning kind of to that. 8:38 And so I'm wondering, uh, how, how does sort of that stage look different? 8:47 Well, I've become more of, I would say, an advisor from the transitioning of being the parent and, you know, the old adage, uh, it's my way or the highway, kind of like keeping them, uh, in line, to when they became adults, I became an advisor. 9:03 So now my role as a parent is not only practicing my listening skills, but giving them my advice on different things that are going on in their lives that I have experienced being, you know, a lot older than them, I have experienced. 9:22 They would come and ask me my advice. "Hey, Dad, what do you think about this? This is what I'm thinking about doing. Do you think this is a good idea? What's your opinion?" And I give them my opinion. 9:33 I give them my advice. "Here's, here's what I think. Here's what I think you should do. This would be the best option for you." 9:41 But what I've learned from them transitioning to adulthood, what I've learned is they're gonna make their own decisions. They have to make their own decisions. And so they can take my advice, 9:55 uh, and run with it, or they can kind of go their own, their own way and do their own thing and not follow my advice. 10:02 But what I've taught them is, "You can take my advice and follow it, or you can go a different route, but you have to be ready for whatever comes next. 10:12 So you have to-- if there's consequences, you gotta be ready for that. If it doesn't work out, you've gotta have this option available." 10:17 Yeah, what I've, what I've learned from them just transitioning from the teenage years into adulthood is I'm their advisor now, and they can call me and ask me for advice, but I know that they-- I understand, I understand as a parent that they don't have to listen to my advice. 10:34 They don't have to take it. They don't have to follow it. And that's been a, it's been a, it's been an interesting transition for me. Not only for me, but for my wife as well. 10:43 It's been an interesting transition for both of us to kind of switch that role from parent guiding them to just being an advisor. 10:55 Can you think of a situation where you gave them advice and they did something different, and you looked back and thought, "Oh, they were right"? Man, that's a, that's a good one. Shoot. 11:03 Well, I can say that my older son, when he got to a point was... So for my boys, when they were going through high school and then into college, I wanted to be able to give them a car that they could drive. 11:16 And so what I did is through high school and college, I leased them Hondas. That's the brand that we used. Hondas, uh, that, that would be their car for high school and college. 11:28 And when they got out of college, the responsibility of the vehicle was on them. So I was no longer involved. I didn't make the payments, none of that stuff. So they had to take the responsibility. 11:39 Whatever, whatever, uh, car they wanted to get, that was on them, but they had to, they had to take that responsibility on. 11:46 And my son, my older son, who had saved up a good chunk of money in, through college, uh, working and, uh, at the time, he was, part of the time, he was living at home. He was saving up his money. 11:58 Um, he-- it was time for him to trade in that lease and get something different, 'cause he had, he'd graduated college, he was finishing up the lease, and he needed to get something different. 12:08 And He wanted to buy a, a, a car, and I said, "Well, maybe you should look at possibly leasing. You know, the payments are a little easier for you, a little bit more affordable." And he said, uh, "No, I'm gonna... 12:23 I wanna get..." He wanted to get a Tesla, and he said, "No, I'm gonna pay cash for it. I have the money. I wanna pay cash for it." 12:30 And I said, "Well, maybe you should keep that money for possibly future, you know, maybe a down payment on a house, something like that." He's like, "Nope, I'll be fine. I just wanna, I wanna make the purchase. 12:41 I don't wanna have any of the issues with, uh, leasing and all that kind of stuff." And what I've realized, he's had the n- he's had the car now for a few years. What I've realized is he paid a car... 12:53 He paid for a car cash, uh, s- because he didn't want a payment. He didn't want a- Mm-hmm... a car payment. 13:00 And he's been able to put that money away that he would've been spending on a car payment, he's been able to put that money away, and he's been investing it, and now he has more money 13:12 than he did when he had that lump sum that he was able to buy that car, just simply from paying the car cash, where he, he didn't want the responsibility of a payment. He goes, "I don't want that payment. 13:21 I don't need it." And so I'm like, he made the, he made the right decision. 13:25 If I were in his shoes at his age, I probably would've leased another vehicle just so I could have a smaller car payment and, and, uh, not s- not worry so much about it, this, this hefty, uh, you know, car payment. 13:37 So yeah, he made, he made the better choice. Uh, and it was something that I would've done differently, but he followed his own path, and it worked out well for him. That's cool. 13:47 Well, you always think about that from the opposite side, I think, of, you know, of, like, the parent giving advice and it not working out, and sometimes the kids are right. Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. 13:57 So, uh, how has your, the relationship with your wife changed through the, the kids leaving the house and all that? Well, our relationship is much different now because we have a lot more freedom. 14:07 Uh, obviously, when, you know, our boys were teenagers and stuff, they could be on their own and all that. But it's kinda, it's kinda weird because we live in this big house, and the house is completely empty. 14:20 It's just the two of us. 14:22 But we have the freedom to go and do things now that we don't necessarily have to, you know, tell them where we're going or what we're doing or when we'll be home, all those sorts of things, because they're not here. 14:34 And so we have... The relationship has changed in a way that we've been able to reconnect, whereas when parents have kids that are, you know, growing up, parents tend to conquer and divide, right? 14:48 If you got multiple kids, you're, you know, got one parent taking care of one kid, one kid, one parent taking care of the other kid, one doing their, doing their thing. 14:55 Uh, but as our kids have grown and gone out of the house, my wife and I have been able to reconnect, come back together as a couple, and really start to appreciate each other again, that we missed all those years because we were busy taking care of the family. 15:11 We missed all those years together doing things, doing our own thing, and now it's, now it's our chance to just kinda reconnect and appreciate each other and appreciate the success that we've had in that raising our boys are now grown and, and grown men and, and doing their own thing. 15:29 So, um, yeah, it, it has changed a lot. It's allowed us, like I said, to reconnect and really, uh, really grow our l- relationship again. 15:38 Did you have, like, a, a conversation about that, or did it just, like, did you sit down with your wife and be like, "Now that the kids are out of the house, we have this freedom, and let's figure out what we're gonna do with it," or it's just something that naturally happened? 15:49 It's funny. I was very much looking forward to an empty nester. If my wife were sitting here right now, she would say... 15:58 Uh, don't get me wrong, she appreciates the relationship that we have, and she appreciates the time that we have, but she would say her heart would be full if her boys were here in the house. 16:09 [laughs] Because we just, we, you know, we just had Thanksgiving, and both my boys came home. My younger son and his fiancée came over. My older son and his girlfriend came in from out of town. 16:22 And so we had all of us, all six of us were here at the house, and my wife was in... It was like she was in heaven. She was content. Her family was whole again. 16:34 So the conversations have been that, that, you know, there are times when it's quiet in the house, and it's just the two of us, and we're sitting down watching TV or whatnot. 16:43 We have the dog, but we're sitting down watching TV, and she almost gets sad that it's just the two of us because she misses the boys being around. But, uh, yeah, so that's how the conversations have gone. 16:58 Uh, it's not so much of a, "Oh, man, we have all this..." Like, that, that's me. That's me, Clay. I'm like, "I can't wait to be an empty nester. I can't wait till the boys are out of the house. 17:07 I did what I was supposed to do as a dad, raised them. I'm there, I was there for them. I'm still there for them, but from a distance is great." That's how the, how the conversation went for me. 17:17 For her, it's, "I wish they were home. I'm content when they're home." [laughs] That's how our conversations go with that. 17:25 So did you have to sort of, uh, think about purpose in a different way once the boys were out of the house? Um, my purpose now is to, um, continue to make my wife happy. [laughs] And, uh, and my purpose now is to 17:43 appreciate what... I would say, I could say us, but I'm gonna say me for right now, appreciate what I've done 17:53 as a father in raising my boys and getting them to the level that they're at now, where they're thriving, and they're growing and doing their own thing. 18:03 So my purpose now is to really enjoy, I guess, the fruits of my labor, right? Really enjoy what I've accomplished, not only as a husband but as a, as a dad to two awesome young men. 18:20 And, uh, I know you've talked a lot about how your faith is, how important that is in your life and your family. Like, how does that... What kind of purpose do you derive from that? Yeah. 18:31 Um, faith has always been a big part of our lives. Like I said, my boys, my boys went to private school, uh, so they've always had a faith-based education as they grew up. My boys continue to practice in their faith. 18:44 We're all, we're Christian, and for us, my purpose going forward is not only to instill in them their relationship with our Heavenly Father and continue to, to do that for them, but also to continue to model it, because even though my boys are grown and out of the house, I still-- my wife and I still go to church every Sunday. 19:07 Um, w-we still, uh, every morning, you know, I drop her off at work, and before she gets out of the car, we always say a prayer together. 19:15 So my purpose now is to just, like it is with my wife, my purpose now is to just really, really reconnect with my Heavenly Father and, uh, and show or model that for my boys, even though, uh, you know, it's from a distance, to model that for them as well. 19:34 That's awesome. Um, and so let's talk about, uh, Dad Up. Like, how, how does that fit into the purpose? Yeah. You know, my, the purpose behind Dad Up was really to help other men strive to be, to be better. 19:51 And so my purpose for it wasn't for me to grow. I felt what I was doing as a dad was, uh, great. 20:01 My purpose has never really changed, and I don't think it will change because I think that dads who listen or watch the show can still learn from it, can still grow from it. 20:14 And so the purpose with the show is simply that, Clay. It's just to help men be better, not only as fathers, but as family men, as, as husbands, as providers, as protectors. 20:28 And so the purpose of the show, uh, is not going to change. That's something that, that is always going to remain the same. And my, my show has... 20:38 I mean, I have guests, all, all different kinds of guests on constantly, and the purpose is always gonna be the same. It's really just to help you as a dad not only be a better father to your 20:51 children, but also to be a better provider, to be a better family man, and to be better as an individual for yourself. Um, I hadn't planned on asking this, but it just popped in my head as you were talking. 21:04 Like, logistically, how did the CNN thing work? Like, did they call you? Did you, like, email them? What is- 21:12 Yeah, no, it's interesting, uh, 'cause as you start to evolve when you're doing something like, like a podcast and growing your social me- like my social media has grown and all that kind of stuff, I would get from time to time messages or emails that were kind of, you know, I'd be skeptical of. 21:29 And this w- it was an email that came across to me, uh, from CNN, uh, asking if I was interested in being interviewed for a Father's Day special that they were doing. 21:43 And I thought it was odd because my show had only, at that time, had only been out for, I think it'd been out for less than a year, uh, at the time. And I thought it was spam. 21:56 I thought it was one of these, you know, weirdos that was, like, trying to get me to click on something, you know, all that kind of stuff. And I, so I, I thought, "You know what? What the heck?" 22:07 So I replied back and kind of thinking it was spam. I, I replied back and said, "Yeah, sure. I'm interested." And then the next thing I know, the, one of the producers of the show was reaching out to me to, to set it up. 22:23 And that's kind of how I got started. [chuckles] I'm like, "Wow, this is legit. Okay. Now I'm a little nervous," you know? But that's how it was. It was a Father's Day special many years ago, 22:33 and the, uh, um, the guy that interviewed me, uh, his name is Mike. Uh, I'll leave his last name out, but his name is Mike and, uh, he was the, he was the newscaster who was gonna be int- i-interviewing me. 22:46 Uh, and it was over a live feed, so it wasn't, like, in person. It was just a, like a Zoom call. And it's, it was a great experience. It was a cool story. It aired for all day. 22:58 It literally, they aired it all day on Father's Day. It was crazy. Um, but they aired it all day on television. Um, and to this day, over, you know, six years later, I'm still, I still talk to, uh, Mike regularly. 23:10 He and I have really gotten a chance to connect and, and, uh, and build a friendship over the years. So it was cool. It was a very cool experience, so. 23:18 How many, uh, phone calls and texts and emails did you get after that? [chuckles] I got a few. I've had a, I've had a few game shows reach out to me to be on. 23:27 Um, I had, uh, the one most recently, I don't know if anybody is familiar with this show or not, but, um... I don't know if I'm supposed to say. 23:40 But I had a show reach out to me recently about being on, and it's a show with a big prize money. 23:48 It's held in the UK, and the casting director reached out to me, uh, about a month ago to possibly be on. And the show is... 24:01 So I had a phone call with her to go over things, and now the next step is the producer, one of the producers will reach out to me with his team in January because the taping is supposed to start in February, and I don't even know if I'm supposed to say the show. 24:18 I better not. I better not, but, uh, yeah, I, I don't know for sure if I'll be on or not because the taping is, like, s- it's six weeks long And it's in the UK. Uh, and yeah, it's gonna be... 24:34 Yeah, so I, I haven't decided whether or not I'm gonna be on or not. Uh, it's just something that, uh, had come up. Um, and we'll see. We'll see what happens, but. That's all from the exposure from CNN for the most part? 24:52 I think so, probably. I've had, uh, you know, I've had publications reach out to me about articles, which I've done, newspapers. I was on a local... Not a local. I was on a, uh, Irish, 25:07 an Irish, uh, radio station, had me on for them. Yeah, you know, the, the show has been able to bring a lot of exposure, not only to the show but also to myself, and there are, there are downsides to it. 25:24 I, you know, when, when I was on CNN, for example, they, they wanted pictures of my boys. They wanted pictures of the family that they showed in the, uh, in, uh, interview. My boys, my younger son thought it was cool. 25:37 My oldest son was like, "Are they serious? They're showing a picture of me on TV? Like, I don't, I really don't..." So there are some things that come with it. My boys are not really... 25:46 My younger son's bigger on social media than, than my older son. My oldest son has zero social media. He doesn't want any of it. He doesn't like it. Uh, he doesn't even like me taking... 25:55 Like, if I take pictures with him, uh, you know, for social media or whatever, if I take pictures, he always tells, "Don't post that. Please don't post that." He just wants it for me, so I respect him. I respect it. 26:07 I don't post, uh, anything that my family tells me not to post. My wife will say it sometimes. My younger son doesn't care. 26:13 My older son is definitely, "Don't post the pictures," so you don't see a whole lot of my older son on, on my social media, and if you do, it was from his approval. 26:23 So with all the men you've talked to on, on Dad Up, like, is there, like, a common theme or something you see regularly 26:32 that comes through about men and what they have in, have in common and all these great dads and things like that? Yeah. 26:38 It's, uh, the, the biggest theme that I see that comes across from, from the guys I interview is all stemming around being present with our kids. 26:47 And not just, just, like I was saying earlier, not just hearing them, but really listening to them. Being, being around our kids as much as possible and making... 26:55 One of the other things, I'll say this, making time for our kids, scheduling that time with our kids is something that I've noticed a lot of successful men, 'cause I've had a lot of entrepreneurs, a lot of guys that are real busy. 27:07 I've had, uh, you know, people in show business on my show, and so they have these real hectic schedules, and they are very, very good about scheduling time with their family. 27:19 And so that's one thing that I've learned through the years of not only parenting, but doing the podcast, is, you know, if, if things aren't on your schedule, uh, they're just gonna get overlooked or they're gonna get pushed to the side o- or bumped for something else. 27:35 So, um, putting your family on your calendar, putting your family time on your schedule is something that, that the men, most the men that I talk to, uh, are really, really good at. 27:48 Yeah, that, um, the newsletter that I'll send out tomorrow, I wrote this morning, and that was the main point of it, was scheduling important things, including family and date nights and things like that, and because if you don't fill in that space with something important, life will fill it in with something less important but something that feels more urgent. 28:06 Yep. No, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, so is there something that you've noticed, something you can pinpoint that a lot of men and just dads in general are sort of, uh, missing now or, 28:20 you know, something they're overlooking that could improve their relationship with their wife and their children and things like that? I'm gonna go back to that listening because 28:31 that, we don't un- we don't realize as parents how much that has an impact on our kids. If you're half listening to your kid when they're trying to tell you something, they're going to realize it. 28:42 They're going to recognize it. And when they really need to talk to you about something really important, 28:49 they're not going to come to you with it because they're going to think that, "Well, he's not really listening to me anyways. He's too busy on his phone," or, "He's too busy, uh, with work," or, uh, or whatnot. 29:02 So the listening component is something that is definitely something that, uh, that I find dads missing, that they need to start to be aware of. 29:12 'Cause like I said, when they're younger, when kids are younger, they pick up on those cues, and as they start to hit those important teenage years or, or late teen years, early adult years, they'll remember those times when Dad was sort of half checked out and, "I have some things I need to share with him, but he's not re- I, I already know how the conversation's gonna go. 29:36 He's gonna be not even, he's not gonna give me the eye contact. I know he's not gonna be totally listening to me, so it doesn't make sense to even share this news with him anyways," so. 29:44 Well, you know, I look back, like when I was a kid, and the only thing I had to compete with was the television. 29:51 But now parents are s- you know, and, and me included, you know, we'll be s- we'll have the TV on, but looking at my phone, and my son will come try to talk to me and s- and... 30:01 So, but I mean, it's even, there's even more competing for your attention than, than there used to be. No, it's, uh, it is, it is a major, uh, major, uh, issue that I see, um, parents or dads, uh, struggle with. Yeah. 30:18 Uh, um, I know you got kind of a hard out in a few minutes, so where can, uh, is Dad Up the best spot for people to, uh, learn more about you and catch the podcast and, and all of that? 30:30 Yeah, Dad Up Podcast, uh, that's, Dad Up is the name of the podcast. I don't know if there- I don't think there are any Dad Up podcasts out there. There better not be. 30:40 Uh, if there are, mine's the one with that red arrow in between the Dad and the Up. But, uh, Dad Up is the podcast. It's everywhere, uh, you can get your podcasts. I'm on YouTube as well as at Dad Up Podcast. 30:54 My Instagram is daduppodcast. I have LinkedIn's under my name, Facebook's under my name, although I do have a group Facebook page that's Dad Up Podcast. 31:03 But yeah, everywhere that you listen to podcasts, you view podcasts, it's Dad Up Podcast. It's very easy. And I know, uh, I know for a fact if you Google best, uh, dad podcast, it'll show up on that list. Yeah. Yeah. 31:16 It's, uh, it's... Yeah, I mean, my show's been around for six and a half, almost six and a half years. And I will say this, in the new year, things are changing a bit with the podcast. 31:28 Not saying I'm stepping back, but, uh, taking a different, kind of a different approach in the new year for the show. Right now, my show publishes every week, and in the new year it probably won't be as much. 31:44 I'm going to a strictly, uh, fee-based podcast, so guests that come on will pay a fee to be on the show. 31:54 So I have guests now that do that, and so there's an avenue for me to go down, uh, down that, that way. I have an editor and everything that I pay, and I have, uh, behind-the-scenes stuff. 32:08 I mean, you know, you run a podcast, there's behind-the-scene costs that you gotta take care of. Um, so the fee-based, uh, podcast is, uh, the next step, and that is, uh, that is what's coming in January. 32:22 Uh, anybody out there that wants to be on the show, you're more than welcome to reach out to me, but, uh, you know, it does cost money to be on the show. So that's the direction that the show is going. That's cool. 32:33 Look, I look forward to hearing, uh, the new guests n- next year. Yeah, absolutely. Checking it out. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks again, Brian, for, for sitting down with me for a little bit. Yeah, absolutely, brother. 32:43 Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. Uh, appreciate what you're doing. 32:46 Keep up the good work for, uh, the Campfire Gentlemen out there, and, uh, I look forward to, uh, continuing to follow you and obviously continue, uh, with our friendship. Awesome. Yeah. Thanks. See you later. Take care.
